Originally Posted by macmuckle ....My local garage (NOT a fiat dealer) fitted two new front lower suspension arms......... Yikes Have they fitted the correct arms Or are the things on upside down or something That doesnt look right at all - if they say its all OK Id seriously consider getting the AA or somebody to take a look those top mounts ought to be sitting down tight and central... macmuckle thanked for this post
Loosen the two bolts on the bracket where they fix together put the tie bar in first but dont tighten the nut yetthen you should have plenty of movement to get the track control arm into its housing.
Originally Posted by Liquid Knight Just a daft question but are you sure theyre the right way round and youre not trying to fit the drivers side to the passenger side for example Psst theyre identical in fact I think the only thing on the entire front suspension thats handed is the arm the track rod end balljoint connects to because of the taper. If youre having bother getting everything together I
Originally Posted by isau22 Just replaced OSF control arm (or wishbone) on 2004 panda Active (MOT failure due to ball joint - DANGEROUS). Anyone know what the correct torque settings are for the two subframe bolts and the ball joint spigot clamp Or any clues as to where I might find them Thanks. Hello there isnt a REAL manual covering the panda BUT the Porter fiat book covers MOST of the technology..
httpcgi.ebay.co.ukfront-Ball-Joi...ayphotohosting Found this Looking at it you do remove hub nut which WILL BE TIGHT 34 drive socket set recommended. Also make sure you slacken this first with the car on the deck and if possible get someone to hold the foot brake on while you slacken it. Wheel brake caliper carrier and disc next. Then 4 bolts hold the hubwheel bearing assembly in place hub and bearing
myself (which will be to a higher standard than that done by a garage) and only letting them do a health check on the vehicle. Theyre not getting a penny more from me than is absolutely necessary Personally I dont feel theres an issue with the design of the wishbones. The bushes can be bought seperately so if the bushes do go then you dont need to replace the whole wishbone - httpseekpart24.comfiatpanda-169...stening-100572
hello - just thought I would add the history of my pandas front suspension and trust it may be of help. I have a 53 2004 Dynamic with 26k. Overall Im happy with the car but I feel the suspension system has let me down and at cost. Ill be looking at the new panda though next year - 12263 2 new front tyres fitted due to wear on inner edges (MOT fail) 14839 both front strut top bearings replaced due to
Originally Posted by macmuckle hello - just thought I would add the history of my pandas front suspension and trust it may be of help. I have a 53 2004 Dynamic with 26k. Overall Im happy with the car but I feel the suspension system has let me down and at cost. Ill be looking at the new panda though next year - 12263 2 new front tyres fitted due to wear on inner edges (MOT fail) 14839 both front strut
at 140k the rest of the suspension & steering lasted the life of the car. My Ford Ka managed 101k with just one front wishbone my Suzuki Van 117k needed nothing at all. Notice the pattern here Those manufacturers dont get their suspension components from the Leerdammer factory A couple of links for those who want decent suspension bits for pandas...... Top mounts..... httpseekpart24.comfiatpanda-169...bearing-100371
Originally Posted by crutts Is it easy to get hold of Lancia Y10 suspension No and its the same as your panda with two differences. 1. the steering arms are at a different hieght so you cant use the front shocks. 2. the y10 is fitted with a front anti-roll bar thats the only bit really worth nicking off the lancia and Im still searching for one
Originally Posted by BenW You might get less camber depends how the 2x4 was setup. For the camber to decrease the lower arm would have to be sloping up to the wheel. This could only really happen if the wheel was touching the top of the wheelarch Quote I would think that the 4x4 would have less camber to keep the wheels flat so better grip in 4x4 mode In an ideal world maybe yes. However that would involve changing quite a few front suspension parts for very little gain. I think fiat just took the easy option and fitted a longer spring.
braking but the front just grips and grips seeimngly under no stress at all.. on the whole i prefer them and do see them as a step forward over the f1s and i expect ill be able to bring even more out of them with the revised suspension im planning. However that being said looking at the car as a total package in terms of its suspension ability and braking i think the f1s were a spot on choice by fiat
There is no compatability between pandas and CinqsSeicentos Im afraid. I have new track control arms and front ball jointcarriers if you need them.
Always interesting to see how the older pandas are getting on. Ours is only 70k miles behind you so theres money to be spent on it in the future for sure. As we intend to keep ours for a while I might just buy a set of arms track rod ends drop links and any other consumables in the front end. I suspect buying from shop4parts in advance is far cheaper than having to get bits sourced on the day.
Originally Posted by bert9k Ive started to notice a bit of creaking in the front suspension [probably something to do with flying over 20 mph speedbumps every day ]. Ive tried to wd40 the pivoting bit where the lower sus arm joins the body but little effect and fear the rubbers() in there must be totally shot. Any idea where to get new ones (its definitely something to do with LS as could feel the
lower arms need bumper removed so labour is higher than panda etc never seen a worn ball joint on a 500 but done a few on pandas.
Originally Posted by T14086 lower arms need bumper removed so labour is higher than panda etc never seen a worn ball joint on a 500 but done a few on pandas. Send me a postal address you can have my old worn ones for reference.
Took one of the arms off today and the bush shown in the link appears to be for the rear which isnt the problem. Its the larger front bush that needs replacing (see image).
It is a metal central tube bonded ( specialized industrial process ) into a rubber bush which is in turn bonded into an outer metal housing. This assy is then welded to the front of the Omega arm at manufacture. What is the problem with the bearing Have never heard of one of these failing before. Rgds.
Originally Posted by petel It is a metal central tube bonded ( specialized industrial process ) into a rubber bush which is in turn bonded into an outer metal housing. This assy is then welded to the front of the Omega arm at manufacture. What is the problem with the bearing Have never heard of one of these failing before. Rgds. PeteStuart its not for me it was a question asked on ebay and I directed him to the site saying I would post the question for him.
Originally Posted by Alan.D Only thing that springs to mind is spacers on the shock mounts & leaf springs. Someone looked at manufacturing a spacer a while back if you have a search. That was me. You can safely lift about 20mm with a spacer under the front springs. This keeps a reasonably sane camber. If you space the struts down you will have problems with huge camber and the driveshafts will bind
My little X reg panda failed its MOT this week Basically it needs a tyre theres a wiringelec problem with hazard switch a suspension part and some welding. In 30 years its only had one small plate of welding before so I suppose it was only a matter of time before it was due some being a fiat and all . Although far from a lot of work I dont really have the time or talent to tackle this myself so was
stance is really like from these pics managed to park it in about 3 different potholes. Older pic but this probably gives a better comparison with standard I just bought some omp 40mm lowering springs...for a Y10...the guy i bought them from said that the rears will fit the panda but not the fronts.......this confused me as according to a few books i have...and after talking to a local lanciafiatalfa
Originally Posted by JACKSON56 Hi Guess what our yellow 2008 panda 1.2 went for its first MOT and failed on both front suspension balls joints. Welcome to the club its seems. The mechanic who I know could not believe it on a car this new fiat contracted out the suspension parts to Leerdammer and the results were predictable. httpseekpart24.comfiatpanda-169-031-2-13613 You can buy Bilstein (FeBi) suspension
100 UKP bill at the next MOT get it done before the purchase - with emphasis on the gas test the CAT will be tired by now if original. If youve got through all that and ticked every good bit and not found any bad give or take the state of the tyres preferably with lots of history youve probably got 400 and odd UKP worth of panda. Regards John H Attached Thumbnails     __________________ fiat
Originally Posted by lewey So does anyone have any experienceknowledge they can pass on about 500panda suspension and interchangeable parts Actual differences that are known in wishbones hubs subframes Do 500 wishbones even fit on a panda Are they wider or is it the hubs that give the extra track or both In time I will find this out for myself but being the pioneer can be expensive Im afraid I dont
Originally Posted by 306maxi Im afraid I dont know sadly. The suspension arms are different part numbers and prices on shop4parts so one would assume theyre different. I took some pictures of the 500 front suspension and I remember that the droplinks were different to the panda ones so Ive got a sneaking suspicion that its all different at least at the front The ocap site is very handy for crossreferencing
Originally Posted by AB100 I can imagine it was. I bet Im not the only one here whos waiting to see what the new Renault rear-engined Twingo is like. Looks good small cheapish 4 doors. Maybe all the motoring press will then shut the fk up about the Up Maybe fiat will then slap the panda with the pretty stick and the 105bhp Twinair. And replace that godawful interior. I hope the new twingo rwd is nothing
of helping reduce the harsh ride. I had after professional advice all dampers front & rear replaced with standard panda Dampers. (If you need them I gave the part numbers in a post in the Koni Post Yes as some have commented shown as fitting all but 4x4 and the 100HP. hardly surprising as the 4x4 is a different chassis layout but the 100HP is identical otherwise the standard dampers wouldnt fit. fiat
of the car is resting on the inner edge this get the brunt of it. Pot holes and traffic claming measure can damage the suspension bushes particular the control arms (wishbones) bushes that attach it to the chassis causing annoying knocking but also adding to the negative camber as these determine the distance of the lower part of the wheels in relation to the chassis. I have to admit heres where fiats
Originally Posted by MyfiatpandaIsWhite Im in the same situation as you however ive not had any repairs done yet. My pandas first MOT was due yesterday I booked it in for today expecting it to fly through but got told that it had failed due to excessive play on both front ball joints. I was gutted. My panda is a 58 plate and has only done 15200 miles. I cant believe that the ball joints are knackered
Quote Welcome. Will the cars be raced and therefore built to an MSA spec or are we talking track and fun A 1.4 16v panda is quite fast but will need some serious work on the front suspension (completely replace with wishbones or something) to feel like a racing car. 7 wide wheels will be so hard to fit you are going to need huge arches and negative offset Planing to make it comply to the scottish Hillclimb
fiat dealers in the UK always seem in denial about any parts existing for the older pandas the best approach is to go armed with parts numbers thats all they seem to understand I wanted a load of front suspension rubbers which they claimed they wouldnt have they looked slightly sheepish when I turned up with a load of part numbers either that or go the ebay route or contact ricambio. Good luck
Originally Posted by pandamonius_maximus sorry I am enjoying this mystery too much lol. Its very similar to the age old argument are pandas white with black patches or black with white patches See attached image of a mk 1 panda with mk2 tail lights fitted to show you can do it mounting screw holes are in the same place for all pandas and marbellas. Having said that though I zoomed in as best I can
- pictures attached below. FYI the alloys shown are Team Dynamics Monza Rs tyres are 19550 R15 Toyo Proxes which grip the road very very well. I did need to cut the end of the front suspension arm stud (both sides) in order to avoid scrubbage but thats a 30 second job which is really easy and it was definately worth it. Hope this helps Attached Thumbnails       __________________ fiat
Originally Posted by Derv drinker ...If a momentarily loss of traction was detected on the blown front it will engage the diffs to enable power to be supplied to the other wheels this may be when you first noticed the back end coming round as more power would be driving the rear wheels. This is the system working correctly... An interesting point there. The panda only engages the drive to the rear
jack. Loosely replace all six bolts (just the first couple of turns on the thread) but dont tighten until all six are in otherwise its tricky to line all the holes up. (Suggest putting copper grease on the bolt threads to make subsequent removal easier). Tighten fully then remove the jack. The oil filler is not always obvious. This is a black square rubber plug on top left of engine with Olio fiat