fiat panda front brake disc brake caliper brake pad

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FIAT PANDA Replacing front brake pads (ABS)

Hi. Anybody know the procedure for replacing the front brake pads without buggering up the ABS My first new car a panda used to normal brakes & did a hundred changes but non on ABS.

Originally Posted by doctorchris I dont want to be Mr Grumpy but my method of clamping the flexi hose prevents hydraulic fluid from the piston which may contain contaminants and some water being retained or even pushed back up the system. It is simple and adds little time to the job. In addition you dont have to worry about the reservoir overflowing if it has been recently topped up. All Im suggesting

FIAT PANDA New front pads and discs

Hi Guys Having just bled the brakes on my 57 plate panda I noticed that the nearside front disc was scored. The scoring wasnt very deep and the pads have not worn down too much (considering the cars covered 31k). Im tempted to change the pads and discs in the not too distant future. With this in mind Ive read the posts on this site and Im fairly confident of doing the task but I would like to see pictures

Originally Posted by lamlash If you have to push the caliper pistons back in to fit new pads (which will be fatter than the old worn ones) do this very slowly and gently with a flat lever and keep an eye on the brake fluid level in the reservoir as you do it. Youll almost certainly need to do this if youre fitting new pads. A suitably-sized G clamp allows the pistons to be compressed easily with complete

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FIAT PANDA How to change front pads

Quite surprised that theres no how to on changing the front pads. Ive searched and found lots of its easy comments but not a single thats the way to do it. Sois it remove the R clip knock out the pin and swing the caliper away strip out the old and in with the new shlop some brake grease about and refit Or are there caveats Does the piston need pushing back and if so how. Any need to release brake

Ive not got around to mine yet but Does this help httpeper.fiatforum.comepernavi...D1&GUI_LANG3 and this httpeper.fiatforum.comepernavi...D0&GUI_LANG3 Looks like you undo a couple of screws (9) and pull the piston part of the caliper out from the carrier. Youll need to drag it passed the rusty disc edge. It its binding clean them off with brake cleaner and make sure they float on the carrier freely

You just need to remove the top bolt (9) in the diagram the piston part of the caliper will pivot down. If you look at this pic of a caliper httpcgi.ebay.co.ukfiat-panda-MK2-1-2-8V-1-1-8V-front-caliper-350147139077ptUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM& hashitem5186655605 You can see the pin it pivots on to the right of the pic. The bolt to the left (its facing away from the camera) is the top bolt (9).

Originally Posted by David Bliss Some of the answers to this question are completely wrong. Seeing as though I seem to be the only one to answer the posters questions thatll make my answers completely wrong Would you mind explaining to the poster what was completely wrong Im sure that would help the poster no end (thats way he and we are here) as they have asked for help it seems a bit silly to imply

Youll be ok get that top bolt out and wriggle the bridge part out. The pads will be inside the bridge part held in with shims probably Take your time and remember how it goes back together (do one side at a time the other will give you a referance) As you did mention that the brakes bind I was keen to point out that A the parts that the caplier move on are cleaned and free and if needed copper greased

Thanks for the help Dave but the discs pads and calipers are completely different thanks for looking anyway EDIT - make that Alan

part no it comes up with this- Availability - Product orderable Family CA43 - brake caliper Minimum quantity per package 1 discount code B Unit of measurement Num Listed price 126.65 GBP Weight (grams) 3155 Price including taxes 148.81 GBP Product previously in use for 9946896 front caliperS WITHOUT brake padS - Subst. Date 051995 Prod. code Desc. Min. qty Repl. Ratio 792435 front caliper 1 11 (fiat)

caliperS WITHOUT brake padS Availability - Product orderable Family CA43 - brake caliper Minimum quantity per package 1 discount code B Unit of measurement Num Listed price 127.07 GBP Weight (grams) 2309 Price including taxes 149.31 GBP Product previously in use for 9946181 front caliperS WITHOUT brake padS - Subst. Date 121993 Prod. code Desc. Min. qty Repl. Ratio 792288 front caliper 1 11 (fiat)

FIAT PANDA front dics brakes

Hi Im just about to change my front disc pads and have noticed a bolt supplied with the pads. so what is the torque setting for this bolt please. Ive not done this job on a fiat before so some a new experiance for me. thanks Bob

I think if its a 1.1 or 1.2 you wouldnt need to disturb this bolt for just a pad replacement. The caliper body hangs on the mounting bracket by a bolt at the top (the new one you have) and a pin at the bottom. Look at this one the bolt would be to the right (where the red line ends) The lower pin and R clip can be seen on the left. httpwww.ebay.co.ukitmfiat-Punto-panda-Seicento-Passengers-Side-front-brake-caliper-1998-2010-181125009998ptUK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Other_Vehic

Am i right in assuming that the GP brakes are the same as the puntopandas Or is that small engine versions only Eitherway - most calipers are 1 or 2 nuts to remove - 2 locators for the disc and the whole lot pulls free A special tool to wind or push piston back in rebuild ensuring a clean and copper grease in correct areas and its done A decent mechanic should be able todo both fronts in about 1hr to 1hr if they have a swish 4 post ramp or even a 2poster ziggy

areas and its done A decent mechanic should be able todo both fronts in about 1hr to 1hr if they have a swish 4 post ramp or even a 2poster ziggy Id expect a decent mechanic to do the fronts in about 30- 40 mins they are similar to the panda but no silly pin they are all bolts this is me doing my sisters 500 in the garden in real time (bar the minute or 3 i spent looking for the lost clip) 1.2 fiat

FIAT PANDA Strange noise from front calipers 4x4

My 2005 1.2 4x4 has started making an odd noise which I believe comes from the front brake calipers. It started early in the year and I put down to rust on the discs or from worn pads contacting the lip that forms on the disc. I replaced the (ventilated) discs and pads recently though and the noise is still there. Can be heard when driving slowly especially after having used the brakes and then pulling

the front brakes and that it didnt go away even after replacing discs and pads. Both my previous 2 sets of discs and pads have come from my local motor factor and seemed to be fine as replacements -- certainly the last set of pads has lasted really well and actually the discs werent too bad. But over the weekend Ive replaced them again this time with parts from Shop4Parts. The discs were genuine fiat

FIAT PANDA II 169 4x4 (2005 model) brake disccalliper change

Okay Im not much of a mechanic. I have however had the wheels off my exciting new 2005 model panda 4x4 and looks to me like it could do with new discs and pads and maybe a clean-up of the callipers. Quite like to have ago at this myself. The disc I think are held on with 4 wide bolts at back is that right or is that the hubs I cant see anything else back there. Callipers seem to be held on with two

Hollister I changed both my front & backs a month ago its an easy job if you take your time and are reasonable with a set of spanners - if in any doubt get a mechanic to do it after all its your brakes. In a nut shell- jack car safley remove wheel crack two bolts holding brake caliper (think they are 14 spanner size) remove caliper and hang out of way do not let it dangle on brake pipe flexi remove

FIAT PANDA Disc brakes

A while ago someone was asking about front brake pads and I meant to post some pictures. Rather than searching through to find which thread it was I shall post here. For those who dont know what their calipers look like then here they are. This is a brand new disc. The caliper mount requires the removal of the bottom bolt and it will swing (bash or lever) up wards out of the way. It isnt necessary

Originally Posted by Alixcompo A while ago someone was asking about front brake pads and I meant to post some pictures. Rather than searching through to find which thread it was I shall post here. For those who dont know what their calipers look like then here they are. This is a brand new disc. The caliper mount requires the removal of the bottom bolt and it will swing (bash or lever) up wards out

FIAT PANDA Squeaky steering after discpads change

Changed front discs and pads on 1.2 Dynamique 06 - OEM EBC pads and QH discs. Only prob at the time was that one of the caliper pin retainer clips pinged off into a spacetime warp never to be found again and I had to put a small split pin in. Thumped the pins with hammer to get them out and in. Everything seems pretty tight but perhaps v slight wobble on the left caliper - cant tighten the bolts anymore

FIAT PANDA Uprating Brake Pads

I might upgrade the front brake pads with some race versions what companies do pads for the 100HP..

I have just bought DS2500s for mine FCP1466H These have studs on the back plate preventing it fitting the caliper. Has anyone come across this before OK to remove em I take it Also I am looking for 2 piece discs. Anyone got any ideas Whats the standard front disc size

Originally Posted by Oirish Kev I have just bought DS2500s for mine FCP1466H These have studs on the back plate preventing it fitting the caliper. Has anyone come across this before OK to remove em I take it Also I am looking for 2 piece discs. Anyone got any ideas Whats the standard front disc size DS2500s are fine and I have used them in many cars before but they are sensitive to bedding in and if

Originally Posted by Oirish Kev I have just bought DS2500s for mine FCP1466H These have studs on the back plate preventing it fitting the caliper. Has anyone come across this before OK to remove em I take it Also I am looking for 2 piece discs. Anyone got any ideas Whats the standard front disc size Why would you want piece discs Not to be funny but its only a 100hp and not an Impreza with close to 300bhp which weighs 1500kgs.

FIAT PANDA 100Hp brake caliper bolt torque values

Hi Im going to replace the front discs and pads on my 100HP. Ive searched on the forum for the procedure but cant find any torque values for the caliper bolts. Does anyone have access to eLearn to find out the torque values or know them Thanks in advance

Originally Posted by BambooShoot Hi Im going to replace the front discs and pads on my 100HP. Ive searched on the forum for the procedure but cant find any torque values for the caliper bolts. Does anyone have access to eLearn to find out the torque values or know them Thanks in advance I dont have the reference for the 1.4 panda but if its the same as the 1.4 500 the figure for the caliper bolt is

FIAT PANDA Cross Rear Disc Brake Imbalance

The rear discs on my Cross have looked very heavily corroded for a while so today I stripped everything down and fitted new pads and discs. The pads on the drivers side were worn almost down to the metal but on the passengers side there was plenty of friction material left. I had noticed that the centre of the drivers side wheel was rather warm after a journey which was consistent with the over-use

by AB100 Odd thing - I decided to swap wheels back to-front same side rather than replace the tyres just yet. 100Hp now has a little more steering perk again - plus luckily the rear wheels didnt need balancing. This gave me a chance to inspect the brakes. Ok its only done 8500 miles but it lives outside all year. So all well and clean but what surprised me most was the red painted calipers (pandamonium

FIAT PANDA panda fire front brake locked

Hi my mothers panda is due for MOT. I noticed that the drivers side wheel was tight thought the piston in the brake caliper had seized. Bought new one and fitted. No difference. Now wheel is locked all the time. Like the pedal is pressing down on the brakes and hydraulic presure is not being relieved. Car will not move. Other side ok. Anyone got any ideas Dont know what it could be master cylinder

I have the same problem with my panda. A 1991 Formula 91 with only 45750 genuine miles. It failed the MoT with a binding drivers side brake. I fitted a new caliper to drivers side pads and discs to both sides. It cleared for a while then started to bind again. So I stripped it down and rebuilt it again. I then took the car to France and back covering over 700 miles everything was fine. But it has started

FIAT PANDA Sticking front brakes

Howdy swapped the discs over this weekend and refited the new pads and calipers. the brakes seem to be on all the time is this an obvious oversight I had thought that the extra pressure was caused by the 2mm of caked on old crud on the mounting bracket and chipped that stuff off as best i could with a screw driver and a hammer. so basically any hints or tips on getting them free-er at least so i require a handbrake thanks in advance Tony M

FIAT PANDA Panda 1.2 Brake Upg

I couldnt find any other posts on this subject. I was wondering if anyone has done or knows how to upgrade to vented disks on the front of a 2004 panda 1.2 Dynamic. Was thinking maybe 100hp or Punto Would 100hp disks and calipers fit straight on or would i need to change hubs for that I already put Red Dot Fast Road pads in but still get brake fade (and very hot disks) And id love to do the Stelvio Pass (as featured in PPC mag) but fear my current brakes would die very quickly.

Originally Posted by scottish_guy69 I couldnt find any other posts on this subject. I was wondering if anyone has done or knows how to upgrade to vented disks on the front of a 2004 panda 1.2 Dynamic. Was thinking maybe 100hp or Punto Would 100hp disks and calipers fit straight on or would i need to change hubs for that I already put Red Dot Fast Road pads in but still get brake fade (and very hot

This is an interesting read httpwww.fiatforum.companda17002...e-upgrade.html If you have 15 wheels you could also look at the panda 100hp or 500 1.4 front brakes. Theyll be a straight bolt on and let you use the 257mm fiat discs as found on the panda 100hp or 500 1.4. Ive got a 500 1.4 and Ive done some pretty extensive track work with it. Heres my recommendation - Go for the panda 100hp500 1.4 front

FIAT 500 II 500 Disc Brakes - Problems & Solutions

Ive noticed theres been a lot of posts on this topic & perhaps its time I shared my thoughts on what seems to be a common problem. If youve experienced any of the following - squeaking & grinding noise from the brakes - excessive pad &or disc wear - excessive build up of brake dust on the wheels - poor fuel consumption then you might want to read on. My investigations have thus far been confined to

FIAT PANDA Fiat panda brakes

Hello my friends I have a panda 1.2 2007 model which I bought last week The car is very very good but with the brakes I am very puzzled So I make a search and I ended to put ... 1)front Brembo max 08.5085.75 2)Ferodo premier FDB1630 3)Rear brake Shoe Set FSB688 So ...I am listen and your opinion about the set or which set would you suggest

if u want better braking on a cheap then best would be Brembo discs and Ferodo pads. Ur option is fine. Or you can go to the breakers yard and buy a set of used front and rear discs and calipers from 100hp as they are bigger but will be a straight bolt on. Am I correct in thinking that ur 1.2 panda has drum brakes at the back if so then 100hp breaks will upgrade it immensely.

Originally Posted by Zoikarios140 I dont have any restriction with the money. But I am asking you to tell me the best set for my panda best would be upgrading to 100hp disc breaks all round as ur rears r drum brakes. This way front discs would be larger too. Get brembo front and rear with Ferodo pads and get calipers and adapters for then from ebay. fiat 500 uses same calipers. U could buy a set that is already painted red too for bit of bling

FIAT PANDA Sticking rear pads

I have had a look and i know rear brake squeel is fairly common on 100hps. I had both my rear discs and pads changed last month and they are still squeeking. The pad is getting warm and is touching the disc especially when going slowly around corners. Its driving me nuts Is this the common problem or something else Should i take it back to get it sorted I assumed it would sort itself out over a few miles but so far no joy Thanks very much

common. However this might imply that the piston in the caliper is sticking which does not seem to happen. Instead the pads stick within the caliper which is exacerbated by the relatively slow wear rate of the rear pads. This means that they stay at roughly the same position within the caliper for a long time. After a lot of driving on heavily gritted roads last winter the front pads stuck on my panda

FIAT 500 II Rear brake calipers on 1.4 500

Apologies if this has already been askedanswered but how do you dismantle and clean the rear brake calipers on the 1.4 500. Ive got two copies of the e-learn manual but both only cover the front calipers and the Haynes manual doesnt cover the 1.4 It looks like I have to undo the two sliderbolt thingies is this correct I have tried to search previous posts and even different models of car on the forum but I cant find the answer.

Originally Posted by derekandclive Pretty sure from what Ive read that the rear calipers on the 1.4 are different to the front on a 1.2. After all they have a handbrake mechanism The 1.4 rear brakes are basically a smaller version of those on the front. The caliper is secured by two 13mm bolts onto the reaction frames. Make sure that you copper grease the whole lot up appropriately during re-assembly otherwise there will be squeeks and binding. If you order Brembo rear pads you get new springs and bolts included which is nice. Why didnt I think of the handbrake thing too So obvious Youre right about the brembo kit as well I had the discs and pads done on my panda this week and the pad kit did indeed include springs and bolts

FIAT PANDA 100HP Rear brake noise (GOING FORWARDS)

Hi people. Before you all say it im well aware of the noise when reverse braking in the 100HP. Past couple of days its been making a squeeking noise at low speed. If i dont use the brakes to slow down from lets say 30mph and let it roll to a halt you can hear them binding but no squeek. If you used the brakes even slightly however once you move away again itll squeek squeek squeek again. (cant hear

again. (cant hear squeek at 30mph) Right next bit. I jacked up the car today and and the fronts have very slight bind but pretty much free wheel. The rears however give the impression the discs are warped as you can spin the wheel and it will spin twice but come to a sudden halt. You can hear it shh shh shh shh shh as the discs make contact with the pad. I thinking bout new discs n pads from fiat

FIAT PANDA Front wheel Hubbearing replacement

It will make no difference whether the panda is 2 or 4wd for this procedure. Tools Required- Torque wrench 32191713 & long 12mm sockets 191713mm Ring spaners Good quality ball joint removal tool (This is optional as there are two methods of removing the bearing this procedure does not require the ball joints to be removed). Knackered large screwdriver. Small screwdriver. Small or large hammer Axle

Next remove the brake pads noteing the anti-rattle clips. The next item to remove is the wheel aligning bracket this is done by removing the lower shock-piller 19mm bolt and the outer caliper mounting nut 17mm. Next the caliper mount remove the two 17mm bolts the upper bolt has thread on both sides of the boltnut and remove the caliper mount (you should now have a nice little pile of parts ) Remove

FIAT PANDA panda brakes

Hi not been on here for ages normaly on fiat Scotland. I have a k reg fiat panda 750 mania. I want to upgrade the brakes eg fit a servo. On breaking my cinq and have got the calipers carriers servo master cylinder pedal box and linkages. Does any one know if the cinq servo will fit my panda or have any experience of the best way to up grade the brakes. After that going to go for cinq to panda engine swap. Thanks in advance for any help or ideas.

of dissipating the heat more effectively but they only become useful once the limits of a standard system have been reached. If you dont plan to reach those limits they are a waste of money. I tend to agree with those that recommend ensuring the standard system is 100% as a starting point the braided hoses will help with this. Starting with the non servo system allows you two upgrades from other pandas...

FIAT PANDA Multijet brake failure

Hi. The other day my wife told me her brakes didnt feel right. I took the front wheels off to discover the pads were seized and rusted in the calipers. The discs were starting to look a bit ridged and rusty. I cleaned up the discs freed off the pads cleaned them up and put a bit of coppaslip on the lugs of the pads. While cleaning up the pads I noticed three hairline cracks in the material on one pad.

Originally Posted by pulhamdown I took the front wheels off to discover the pads were seized and rusted in the calipers. Heres most of the cause- Originally Posted by pulhamdown driven gently by my wife. Regular cleaning of the wheels gentle driving style thats easy on the brakes one of the pads corroding in the slider causing partial seizure and overheating of its material (making it crumblebreak-up)

Originally Posted by dave diferent cars have same calipers so a 200 bhp car may have the same calipers you had on your mondane Greenstuff are the ultimate performancefast street brake pads you can get for your hot hatch or sport compact. These pads have a high friction coefficient great initial bite from cold right up to a blistering 650 degrees centigrade. Actually IME Greenstuff really are not very

FIAT PANDA Fitting a new front ball joint

Ill do the best I can to explain as it may be of some help. 1. First thing to do is loosen off the hub nut before you lift the wheel off the ground because if you dont the only way you will get it off is by someone putting their foot on the brake. 2. While there is still plenty of weight on the car remove the lower ball joint nut. Its a 17mm. 3. Next the brake caliper has to be removed. You can either

FIAT PANDA scraping noise from front of car

evening all im experiencing what sounds like a scraping noise coming from the front of the car at low speeds. im fairly sure its not from the engine as it still occurs both in gear and if i coast...also if at stand still i rev the engine i hear nothing. cant hear it at motorway speeds and im pretty sure its not being drowned out by the wind noise. any ideas what it may be just had discs & pads changed FYI cheers

Noises like this (that happen in gear and out-coasting) can usually be traced back to the running gear somewhere. Driveshafts and CV joints wheel bearings brakes etc. As youve had the brakes seen to recently this is where Id start. Has it been all put back together correctly Is the caliper siezed Does it float on the pins The body of the caliper should be able to move up as the pads wear. Is there

FIAT PANDA Brake Servo Upgrade

Ok ive looked at whats involved The good news is 1. It looks like you can use the existing brake pipes - the existing ones run past where the new serov and mastercylinder is going to be fitted Thats it for the good news 2. The bad news A list of things we know you need a. Servo and master cylinder (does the old panda cylinder fit the servo) b. Mounting bracket for servo c. brake pedal gear - from Servo

Im considering moving the Battery and Mounting tray to the other side of the Engine bay ( Red will carry an emergency inflator kit like my old Copen did - He doesnt carry a spare Cinq alloy). This will dispense - hopefully - with the need to change all the pedal assembly. I just have to check that the master cylinder does not reach the rocker cover DId I have a ruler when I wanted to measure this I

FIAT PANDA Panda noob

Hello Since this is my 1st post I want to congratulate every user for making this such a nice place to be in. Ive been visiting the panda corner for a few weeks now and Ive found it to be very informative and generally useful with a friendly feel to it. My girlfriend got a 92 750 CLX for Xmas and... well lets just say that Im now falling in love with a car that Ive always looked down to (especially

Quote Originally posted by voorhas Hello Update on the panda Ive been working on it 2day and Ive found out that the brake fluid looks like its been there all the cars life the pads dont have more than 1 or 15 mm left on them and after driving the car 2day Ive also found out that the discs were warped... so I guess that the little fiat has plenty of reasons for not stopping properly after all. Just

FIAT PANDA somethings disappeared (

where has the post about the wheel bearings gone as i was thinking of doing a bearing tomorrow

It will make no difference whether the panda is 2 or 4wd for this procedure. Tools Required- Torque wrench 32191713 & long 12mm sockets 191713mm Ring spaners Good quality ball joint removal tool (This is optional as there are two methods of removing the bearing this procedure does not require the ball joints to be removed). Knackered large screwdriver. Small screwdriver. Small or large hammer Axle

FIAT PANDA 34mpg - wtf

I have noticed I have been spending more on fuel lately but just worked out the latest figure 34mpg. Now I do all town driving but it seems a bit on the low side to me Have been a lot of road works in sarf Manchester though so it may be a combination of that. The car seems to be running perfectly but it still seems to be too low The car has done just over 5000 miles now. On an old banger I would be

An interesting and partly relevant observation. I finally got round to stripping down the rear brakes on the Cross last week. Theyre the notorious panda disc set-up. Id had the parts for months but as I rarely use a car these days I just couldnt be bothered to do the job. However my son was around and willing to help out. These jobs are always easier with a willing helper and he wants to learn how

My 4x4 makes a noise too at this sort of speed travelling straight or turning and most noticeable over smooth surfaces. Ive described it (here a while ago) as sounding like someone rolling a marble or metal ball around in a metal dish. I have a feeling it actually comes from the brake pads of the front offside wheel which appear to rattle in the caliper (they are not fiat pads). I can stop the sound

FIAT PANDA Rosso Ravenna.

Here i will show future pictures. The panda has been lowered by 30mm with H&R springs. Will get summer shoes in the size 5.5x14 black steel wheels with 18550R14 Toyo tires. Winter wheels are also black but 5x13 with 15565R13 tires.

Originally Posted by The Pretender I just showed that picture for the wheels. The panda in the picture have a 105 hp Uno 1.3 Turbo engine under the bonnet. The engine give up life in the meantime and get rebuild from the ground up. Dutch build threat here httpforum.fiatpandaclub.nlviewtopic.phpf13&t7129 I put my Barchetta wheels away for future projects and decided to go one size smaller (14) Ah yeah

FIAT PANDA Fiat Panda Selecta

Hi to everyone Im a newbie here. Heres my 1995 panda Selecta two previous owners and almost 100% fiat service history. The last owners boyfriend was a fiat technician and fitted the 14 inch Punto alloys. Only owned the car a day or so but first impressions are good. Shes a little tempremental to start but to be fair she has been unused for the last three weeks. Any one got anything to look out for

Beware. Selectas brakes are not the same as the standard panda. front discs are bigger calipers and pads are more like those of the Punto. Rear brake shoes and cylinders also different. All parts are more expensive than the normal panda parts and fewer pattern parts are available. Go through the brakes ( find out when the fluid was last changed ) ensure that they are in tip-top condition and confirm

FIAT PANDA 100HP service indicator

Apologies for reviving an old chestnut - Ive searched to forum and not really come up with a definitive answer. First service was done after 12 months at about 10000 miles. According to the handbook the 100HP should give me a count down to the next service. Nothing has shown up on the display but with 22000 miles approaching 15 months on I decided to have the service done. Totally reliable and competent

I checked the fiatecuscan site that states the full version can reset the indicator on the 100HP. Also shows cost as 99.99 euros if I remember correctly. However looking at their forum there are recent requests for this facility and two phone calls and an e-mail to the UK distributor have drawn a blank so I assume its not available - stress that this is only for 100HP. Anyway - second service - 12000

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