i will praise your wisdom and proving me wrong. I dont mind seeing pictures of your conversion with a Stilo engine into a Cinq. Not 100% what i meant. I was just implying that all your info is based on what youve read in part catalogues where as what i am saying is based on experience with working with the engines that we are talking about. My stilo engine into a cinq is documented here httpwww.fiatforum.comcinquecento...nt-thread.html
Well Im sorry to disagree here.... It IS completely safe to switch to the (orange) long life coolant no problems are to be expected. In fact you dont have any choice today as long as you keep it original. The old fashioned green Paraflu G11 is no longer available at any fiat dealer (they ALL use orangered long life coolant today in all engines). Instead ALL fiat engines can run on orange long life
Originally Posted by Peter Pick-Up Well Im sorry to disagree here.... It IS completely safe to switch to the (orange) long life coolant no problems are to be expected. In fact you dont have any choice today as long as you keep it original. The old fashioned green Paraflu G11 is no longer available at any fiat dealer (they ALL use orangered long life coolant today in all engines). Instead ALL fiat engines
I agree surely the best bet is to fix the headgasket unless something else is seriously wrong. People repair bent valves etc when the timing belt fails. Find a decent garage mechanic. Not all 1.2 16V engines are the same I swapped an engine into my 2001 brava (car 106 K miles). The earlier ones are crank sensor only the later ones (like mine) are cam and crank sensor. If it has the cam sensor it will
youre forgetting the real pain of a conversion modifying the loom. the wiring is completely different betwen different engines making an engine fit in the engine bay is easy getting all the sensors wired up correctly and getting the immob to work with a new ecu is harder and requires a lot of time. there will be at least 100 wires to modify in terms of position length and changing connectors on them.
Originally Posted by id12586 Will it be possible to do some tasks in a different time. i.e. Installing the immob after a month or so Jug would be better to go for the Bravo 1.8 or for an AlfaLancia Engine you can fix the immob whenever you like but the engine wont start until you do. if the donor car doesnt have the red key chip this will be a headache. an alfalancia engine will be far more difficult if you use an engine from a bravo you know you can get any parts you need easily if you fit an alfalancia engine youll have to fabricate any parts you need (all hoses possible engine mounts what do you do about driveshafts etc) and the wiring will be completely custom and need to be made by hand it would probably double the difficulty of the job so i strongly recommend you stick to bravobravamarea engines only.
Originally Posted by Courty89 not sure if the marea Ive got is a VIS or not still learning about all the models and I hevernt had 5mins recently to check the idea was to take all chassis items from the marea aswell as the engine if it is fly by then couldnt I just remove my dash and change the whole wiring loom etc completelyand fit to the brava I dont intend for any of the standard 1.2 running gear
Hi there Good luck with the car but you MUST immediately check your cooling system (water and antifreeze). It sounds like it is too low anyway so top it up but you have to be very careful that you dont overheat and blow the cylinder head gasket. Its a common problem on these engines if they arent looked after properly and with older Bravos and bravas this is often the case. If its running OK then hopefully
HI guys.. just bought myself a fiat bravo and i seem to have the same problem. Idles at 1500 then it drops to 1000. Where can i find the ICV unit on the engine Sorry its a bit stupid question but i am a complete novice when it comes to fiat engines.thanks for your help..
Originally Posted by MadbravaDriver Hello all I was at a fiat dealership yesterday concerning a problem with the air pressure sensor... (second time in 9 months) and some of their answers troubled me... They charge me 180 euros and I found it at a friend for 100 euros... And now my question... is it a straight fit or I need to adjust anything else Also when I mentioned to them a reset of the ECU by
CHANGE CAMS ON THESE engines WITHOUT USING TIMING TOOL KIT If the cam belts one tooth off youll probably bend at least one valve... You may try to set the new cam at exactly the same position as the old one but the problem is that you can adjust the cam wheel at least one tooth back or forwards once loosening the bolt which means you can never be shure youve got it right. Buy a timing kit for fiat
Originally Posted by paw just over ride the sensor and u will have no problems cause u dont need it yes..you do.. theyre helpful when trying to get the boost right - and avoid pinking Originally Posted by paw just stick a push button or a flick switch on ur dash to operate the turbo eh Originally Posted by dave i was told my punto had a knock sensor It does on the back of the block i think Jug.. youre
I think its much more difficult than the 16v enige. the 8v engine is based on the old twin cam engines while the 16v is mostly a complete new engine. So with the 16v you can use engine mounts from the coupe since that one has almost the same subframe as a bravo while with the 8v you probably have to build your own mounts.
Plan on spending some money to get someone who knows what theyre doing to look at it and fix it before you wreck the poor thing completely. Ignoring major noises and just fiddling about with the symptoms of probable neglect and damage will not get you anywhere the same with asking for help on the internet without giving full information... These are good cars and engines but unfortunately they reach
errrr the mech is obv a complete and utter waste of time then... yeah ok its a bit awkward but get the mount yourself and do the work yourself its not a hard job just time consuming and fiddly as i say... pluys get a new (or scrappy) driveshaft i may have one on offer from the hgt but i wont know until the engines out i know the crash demolished the steering arm on the drivers side soo im not too hopeful
No worries glad to help Do however get the head tested for warping and a pressure test tho I might be a wee bit late sayin now.... Originally Posted by bluejohn125 I cant quite follow what the hecks been going on... you seem to have complicated things quite a lot... Surely if you had a straightforward head gasket failure (fairly common) the easiest thing would have been to simply fix that problem.
Congratulations on figuring it out and fixing your car... these engines are fantastic when they are running right. What you have seen is a typical problem with modern cars... a simple fault somewhere will screw other things up and make strange symptoms somewhere else. So if the fuel is not burning right then the engine management lambda sensors will see a mixture fault and try to compensate and then
Originally Posted by dillinger39 Jug just another thing can you not put a 1.2 or 2.0 litre ecu on to the 1.4 or 1.6 to enable them to be remapped or are they completely different no the engine management for different engines uses different algorithms and different sensors are used with different return voltages (and feedback circuits) so its not possible.
Originally Posted by stuntman323 i noticed that i am losing coolant but only sometimes this happens my tempature gauge goes up and down when moving i also know that the small pipe has no water coming throught it even when reving it ok that explains the erratic temprature readings the pipe is likely blocked in the way i described and needs sorting asap to make the cooling system bleed properly and remove
Originally Posted by micksimari Thanks for your reply but i refer you to a reply by Jug 6 days ago to a postreading Can a Mk2 engine be fitted into a M1 Jug says that all is needed is to swap the fuel rails the throttle body and the upper inlet manifold complete with all its sensors and that the lower manifold attached to the head doesnt need to be changed. Any further adviseinfo would be helpfull
there are only 2 types of CDA Type 1 (for engines up to 1.6) and Type 2 (for bigger than 1.6). Each type is also available in different diameters for connecting to the intake (diameter is given in model number). as a general rule of thumb you can make any CDA fit any car especially a 1.6 bravo but its easier of you get one with the correct diameter for your intake pipe. since the CDA is an enclosed
Sorry to say but its a con. Nasa may use similar systems in rockets but they do work in a completely different way to internal combustion engines. Any Hydrogen generated will be tiny and make no difference to the fuel you use. You will get a bigger difference by over inflating your tires by a few PSI .
oh yeah those things are my own estimates and people on here with better experience with cars and engines would probably be able to offer better and more complete advice
Originally Posted by NORRIE what other fiat engines will fit into my uno 1.0 start will punto fit and is there much to change ecu etc as i now i might be able to get a punto 75sx or any is there others that will fit brava stilo etc up to 1.4 cheers Punto 55 Cinq Sporting 1108cc FIRE Punto 60 1242cc SPi Punto 75 1242cc MPi Punto 85 Sporting Bravo Stilo 1242 16v MPi Panda (and Bravo Stilo) 1.4 16v MPi
personally i wouldnt do this id pull the head off the existing engine and take a peek and repair that one or get a 2nd hand one thats correct for the car. Its much simpler and you can recon the head while its off which is generally a good thing to do once the car starts clocking up miles. Also keeps the original engine with the original car and saves the hastle of finding another 1. Reason being is 1) its a mk1 engine and your current one is from a mk2.. and although they may look identical.. manufacturers often reviseimprove the engine. 2) 1 engine is a multipoint 1 is a single point. so the fueling requirements of the engine would be completely different.. and you may even find the camshafts are different for different valve opening and closing times and durations. Compression could even be different and as pointed out manifolds are different so the studs bolts maybe in different places. 3) if the fueling requirements are different the cars ecu will be trying to fuel the car as a multipoint engine when it was designed to run as a single point engine which can have consequences. Its hard to say without physically comparing both engines side by side and pulling out the camshafts to ensure they are in fact identical. 1 thing that would work.. assuming the blocks are actually identical and the stroke is the same.. is swap the head from a mk2 block to a mk1 block... then you would be in a better position to mount the multipoint injection system and you know the cams are correct etc. fiat brava jtd elx 105 thanked for this post
kebabs right. wirings completely diferent. evenn if you were swapping engines a larger unit would make more sense given that youll spend so much time on it. 99 brava 100 HSXMet Cognac Toyota Company Car Bargain 1.2 Bravo
mariocinq - Hi Mate I hope youre right but Im guessing that the problem may come about due to the Seicento engine mount being a different shape Well find out soon enough we have all the required bits from the Seicento 1.1 8v Punto 75 Punto Mk2 1.2 8v and brava 1.2 16v engines that Ive got so we can try all the different permutations. ricky seicento - Im afraid that Ive already got someone who wants