will do their level best to wreck any piece of machinery you give em. They certainly do run them out of fuel. And yet in my experience the diesel engine always comes through still working just fine even when it has been subjected to appalling abuse and the rest of the machine is disintegrating around it. All this is a bit of a digression of course and probably has no bearing whatsoever on the fiat
you stop the engine you do actually run it out of fuel - turn off the supply to the pump and injectors - its the only way to stop a diesel. And it does no harm of course. Just been doing some reading-up on common-rail diesel injection systems. It does rather seem that things have moved on a bit since my day principally in exactly this area of fuel pumps and delivery systems. It looks as if a fiat
if you run a modern diesel out of fuel you simlpy have to fill it up again and turn the ignition on and off a few times to allow the lift pump in the tank to prime the pump and the injector rail unless of course you have a ford diesel in witch case there is no lift pump and your buggered its not posible to damage the pump if you run out also as you have run out so your engine stops there for the hp
Originally Posted by John R Smith Its a good job that youre around to straighten us out from time to time Littlepip. So there are in fact two pumps on the (for example) 1.3 Multijet a lift pump back at the fuel tank and as I would have thought the high-pressure pump on the engine which delivers fuel to the rail. This makes much more sense otherwise you would have to have high-pressure lines all the
It will cost a fortune (for the disposal of the mixed fuel) if they have driven it it will probably need a full fuel system flush and clean possibly new fuel injector rail and perhaps a new CAT converter if its knackered.. bet they wont do it again Best thing to do if you realize you have put the wrong fuel in is NOT TO START IT I dont think fiat have gone down the fuel pump prime when unlocking route
Originally Posted by Andy Monty It will cost a fortune (for the disposal of the mixed fuel) if they have driven it it will probably need a full fuel system flush and clean possibly new fuel injector rail and perhaps a new CAT converter if its knackered.. bet they wont do it again Best thing to do if you realize you have put the wrong fuel in is NOT TO START IT I dont think fiat have gone down the fuel
Originally Posted by TrailRatedRN My 500 Sport gas cap tells me that it is hungry for 91 octane. The local filling stn offers 87 89 and 93. Do you suggest selecting the higher 93 octane or lower 89 octane for optimum engine performance and life I know there are many arguments about octane rating and its benefit or lack there of. I am of the opinion that the manufacturer has designed an engine to run with fuel of specific ignition properties. Therefore I am keen to use the fuel octane that the manufacturer suggests. But I wonder what is best if the recommended octane isnt an option Basically the octane rating given by the manufacturer is the lowest octane fuel that can safely be used without risking damage to the engine. You can safely use a higher octane rating than this without any adverse effect whatsoever. In your case you should be using 93 octane fuel. Using 89 octane fuel in a car designed for 91 could permanently damage the engine and will almost certainly void your warranty. Euro readers should also be aware that these are US octane numbers which are different from the ones were used to dealing with. Psfiat TrailRatedRN liked this post
can only get 87 89 or 93 and thats the same as ever other state that Ive lived in. Ive never seen a pump anywhere in the U.S. that had 91 but I havent been to every gas station in America. If you read the owners manual it says you can use 87 it just recommends 91. Ive noticed absolutely no difference between using 87 and 93 in mine and this is one of those heavily debated topics on a U.S. based fiat
Originally Posted by Anniebee I just dont get this. On Thursday night I drove from Falmouth to Cardiff and started off with a full tank of petrol. then on Friday morning I drove 10 miles to my destination and the fuel light came on to tell me I was down to 77 miles left ( according to the range display). So I filled it up again and then drove back to Falmouth that afternoon - and only used half a tank I swear I didnt drive up there in 3rd gear or anything stupid so Im flummoxed Anyone got any ideas This thread is useless without brimming and litre figures What the gauge says and shows is kind of useless without actual litre figures. Ill show you why. When I fill my car up I brim it so I cant get another drop in. Consequently Ive actually put more fuel in than the gauge will show. I actually get 100 miles out of it before it shows 78ths of a tank. So depending on the fuel pump you fill up at you might not even be getting a full tank (according to the gauge) and therefore it will go down to half full earlier OR you could be putting in a little bit more fuel than the gauge can recognise and it will look like youre doing better on fuel. Personally I think my scenario is probably whats happening as the 500 can take at least an extra 7 or so litres more than fiat say it can.
Originally Posted by 306maxi Well I fill mine to the brim everytime and my average distance between fuel ups is 370 odd miles and its still 10% out pretty much all of the time..... The only time when its been spot on was driving with few stops when I was on the continent. If you dont brim the car every time then youre not going to get accurate measurements which you can then accurately compare to your
are checked by trading standards If you dont care then why are you commenting in this thread Yes I am fully aware a number of garages have been caught doing this though there are a multitude of reasons why different people might get different figures. I was commenting on this thread as I was interested in the original topic re 1.2 fuel consumption being different to that quoted. I joined the fiat
So the 500 is playing hard to fill you need to be gentle and try diff angles with the nozzle and not insert fully otherwise it stops too quickly The problem I have is how to stop the pump on a round figure without spending an extra penny. If there is a better way to explain then the forum is yours see you cant even use forum in this sentence. FRA
Originally Posted by arorat So the 500 is playing hard to fill you need to be gentle and try diff angles with the nozzle and not insert fully otherwise it stops too quickly The problem I have is how to stop the pump on a round figure without spending an extra penny. If there is a better way to explain then the forum is yours see you cant even use forum in this sentence. FRA Thanks for re solved it Turned the fuel pump to a 7-8oclock angle and it went in a charm
Originally Posted by glenda Thanks for re solved it Turned the fuel pump to a 7-8oclock angle and it went in a charm Took an hour to fill it up that is slow.
It should only help if the engine has knock sensors and can advance the ignition timing increase boost to match the fuel. Our Impreza is quite sensitive to it stick a tank of 95ron in it and it hates it reduces boost and retards ignition timing. The vast majority of non-performance non-turbo engines wont give two hoots what you stick in them as long as it burns and the fuel pump can deal with it what you feel is either a placebo or an effect of decent cleaning additives in the fuel.
Originally Posted by AdamP1991 It should only help if the engine has knock sensors and can advance the ignition timing increase boost to match the fuel. Our Impreza is quite sensitive to it stick a tank of 95ron in it and it hates it reduces boost and retards ignition timing. The vast majority of non-performance non-turbo engines wont give two hoots what you stick in them as long as it burns and the fuel pump can deal with it what you feel is either a placebo or an effect of decent cleaning additives in the fuel. Wifes legacy turbo (same engine) is the same. Much much prefers BP ultimate. Does anyone know if the 1.2 and 1.4 have knock sensors John R Smith why did you change the plugs at 8500 miles Surely theyre meant to last a lot longer
Originally Posted by 306maxi There is no low fuel light in the 500..... Nothing to do with b&m at all. What do you mean I had the low fuel light coming on before (glowing fuel pump) but not the low fuel warning message. Now its the other way around.
Originally Posted by iraklas What do you mean I had the low fuel light coming on before (glowing fuel pump) but not the low fuel warning message. Now its the other way around. Sorry I forgot about the fuel pump. Stupid me Plonker
Originally Posted by Most Easterly Pandas I cant work out whats difficult you turn it clockwise to do it up and counter clockwise to undo it dont you Theres nothing majorly difficult with the method but its not the best design for certain people. My wife suffers from hypermobile joints and the fuel cap was always an absolute pig for her to open up in the 500 as it put too much pressure on her fingers
Two days of investigations at the dealers proved that the fuel gauge fluctuations could be made repeatable Not 100% sure of the exact cause but apparently an iffy connection (or connections) on the fuel pump was the culprit. Hopefully this will be fed back to fiat for a service bulletin and others suffering the same symptom will get a quick cure. One other symptom was a flashing odometer. Standby this page for when it happens again
we have the car for another couple of days for further investigation was the dealers response. Trouble is the insurance company wants megabucks for the admin charge to cover the offered courtesy car - and the dealer wont contribute to that cost - not to mention the inconvenience of dropping off and collecting and being without the car if we dont take the courtesy one Are you reading this Mr fiat
Oops sorry I forgot it was accessible after removing the rear seat base. Sorry about that. I had to change a tank on a fiat 500 due to vandalism (same tank as a Panda) and I remembered having to access the pump and sender after the old tank was removed.
Actually what Jug says makes a lot of sense I too have been investigating a high pitch loud noise that happens when I rev the engine above 5000rpm this will coincide exactly with the engine starting to shake and misfire. the noise seems to be coming from the boot area and I assume that could be the fuel pump. I am not sure if this is an Urgent matter as the car now drives reasonably well and I rarely rev it very high....
Originally Posted by ahmett maxi i put in 39 liters without any issues or clicks even and i did not do that pull nozzle out stuff. The US 500 is advertised as a 40 liter tank. Do you think they put in a bigger petrol tank and modified the car by that much a bigger tank changes a lot of things with the car i would assume. Well perhaps in Greece they cant afford to maintain their petrol pumps
Originally Posted by 306maxi Well perhaps in Greece they cant afford to maintain their petrol pumps I would assume they would put in less fuel than more fuel to make money
which had delivered 30 litres. So as far as I am concerned I have a tank full as per the manufacturers tank capacity information to be found on my bldy CD. Ill have a look and my OHs proper handbook for her 1.2 pop as it may probably include information re all model variants. You have the same handbook just in digital form. There are no different fuel tanks. The only vehicle on the Mk3 Panda500Ka
Originally Posted by jrkitching fiats official fuel consumption testing is done with an eggcupful of fuel by an anorexic dwarf. Lol I immediately had a mental image of a leprechaun and a brightly-coloured eggcup being emptied into the tank. Another part of the official test is the tyres pumped up to 100psi and dont ignore the articulated truck that happens to be driving less than one metre in front. -Alex jrkitching liked this post
Originally Posted by scout500 Great info folks I wont look a total idiot now when I go to fill up my 500 for the first time (unless the filler cap is on a different side to my present car of course ) Why I have a Panda - and it doesnt matter what side the pump is on the filler cap is at the rear of the car so you can easily reach the hose around if on the other side. Never ever been an issue for me
Originally Posted by Stu DemonD Why I have a Panda - and it doesnt matter what side the pump is on the filler cap is at the rear of the car so you can easily reach the hose around if on the other side. Never ever been an issue for me Youre so right my present car has the fuel filler halfway down the back passenger wing and if I go to the wrong side and dont park so close to the pump that its a struggle
Originally Posted by rkt2003 Ive always believed in not letting the red light come on in fact in my current Bravo it never has My mechanic friend said once it gets down to the last couple of litres the fuel pump has to work harder and any dirt particles in the bottom of the tank get dragged through Not really. The fuel is sucked from the same place whether is a full of empty tank. The problem happens
when light comes on put fuel in it....all your doing after this is sucking up crap at bottom of tank. I have a good look inside at least 5 fuel tanks in last few weeks and I dont want any of that crap gunging up my injectors or diesel high pressure fuel pump.
Originally Posted by 306maxi You could get a whole lot more fuel in your car and you could also do 30 miles when the range goes to 0. How many clicks should you be getting at the pump before the fuel starts to overflow any idea
Originally Posted by ny152 How many clicks should you be getting at the pump before the fuel starts to overflow any idea Fill it till it clicks the first time then pull the nozzle out and fill it slowly till you see the diesel at the top of the filler no longer going down. Just do it slowly the first time and youll get the hang of
The same pumps listed for the 1.1 and 1.2 and it looks like all the petrol 500s as well. There are a few Pandas being broken on Ebay always worth an email see how much is wanted.
the pump duse VW engine in your old fabia is known for its exceptional economy even in higher power outputs its relatvely unstressed due to its larger 1.9 capacity and doesnt have alot of weight to pull around. (and 6 speeds) so rather than the (still very new) 500 MJ 95 being uneconomical your old fabia was just VERY economical. it is really rare to attain manufacturers averages on a daily basis. but expect to see more from yours as you get used to it.
Originally Posted by pusko Tank capacity is 35L. How can someone put 37L in it Are petrol stations lying to us When I fill up I ignore the pump shut off and fill right to the brim I know this is not a good idea since when the fuel expands it has nowhere to go but since Ive often a 20 mile trip from the garage I reckon Ill use up a few litres.
Originally Posted by brimbling When I fill up I ignore the pump shut off and fill right to the brim I know this is not a good idea since when the fuel expands it has nowhere to go but since Ive often a 20 mile trip from the garage I reckon Ill use up a few litres. Still....that doesnt explain it. 35L of tank and at best 1L in tubes.